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My claim is it came into play around the early 90s, *not* the mid-80s. Doom , Jan 13, 2005 (UTC) The better known bands that crop up in the list of "dark wave" bands in the 2nd paragraph were simply called "alternative" in the 1980s.Unfortunately, Wikipedia editors have rejected the values of the original alternative movement in favor of the much smaller sub-genre of "alternative rock." As a result, people who were around at the time feel some very important bands & influences of the alternative scene aren't getting their due in the "alternative" articles.Donnacha , (UTC) In beginning of this article, I was talking about what appears to be the earliest usage of "Darkwave" to describe some German bands.

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This is no different to Gothic itself, or even Heavy Metal.What would you suggest as an improvement, something that would get across the german meaning of darkwave very quickly?I'm afraid that the distinction between The Cure and, say, Joy Division is a little fine for my ears, but I guess I can accept the notion that The Cure is midway between gothic rock and new wave.I'm trying to restore my multiple-definitions approach, but I'm including a fourth definition now, the expansive definition that some of the dark wave fans here would seem to like to see used.If you'd like to try and improve on this, that's great, but I ask you to remember that we're supposed to be *neutral* here, we're working on an encyclopedia entry, not a press release.Basically I thinking the more connections with established festivals / magazines / labels, the more use the article will have.MCalamari , 28 March 2006 (UTC) I've got a bunch of small problems with this article, but let's lead with the one big one: what's going on here?On with the minutiae: (0) My contention is that "darkwave" means different things to different people, which means that you need multiple definitions to explain it: this is okay, it happens. My writeup began with the german usage, which seems to have come first; then I talked about the Projekt label association which if anything is the first thing people think of in the US; and also mentioned some other associations (e.g. The distinctions between definitions have become totally blurred and the third meaning has been dropped completely.Let me repeat the main point here one more time: there is no one definition that will satisfy everyone: don't just delete a definition that doesn't work for you personally.(1) The two names that I most often hear as examples of the original Darkwave are "Das Ich" and "Project Pitchfork", so that's what I lead my write-up with. (2) "Die Form" has been added, which is a great band to be sure, but it's also a band that has done a lot of different kinds of music, so using them as an example of Darkwave can't possibly clarify what you mean.Also, they're a french band, which makes it a little odd to use them in a discussion of german darkwave.

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